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Do you struggle with public speaking and presentation skills? Are you an introvert who often feels nervous and overwhelmed in front of large crowds? Don’t worry, you’re not alone!

In this week’s episode of the Quiet and Strong podcast, David visits with John Doorbar, an international presenting specialist and business coach, to discuss how introverts can improve their presentation skills. From developing a clear structure to finding your personal story, David and John cover it all.

John hares his journey to overcoming his fear of public speaking and offers practical advice on crafting a successful presentation, understanding your audience, and embracing your introverted strengths. Discover how the three principles of mind, consciousness, and thought can shape your experience of life and learn how to tell a good story with emotional relevance and a powerful message of inner value.

Get ready to boost your confidence and overcome your fears with this week’s episode of the Quiet and Strong podcast! Listen now.

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John Doorbar teaches people to speak confidently. His newest training program is called: Speak with Quiet Confidence, The Presenting Programme for Inspired and Introverted Business Professionals. He is an international presenting specialist, management teacher and business coach. He is also the author of three books and his latest one is called: “What Happy People Know.” In his international seminars he helps people to turn from being nervous and fearful into entertaining, memorable and impactful performers. John studied at the University of Oxford where he got  his M.A. degree.  He has also completed training at Cambridge University and has a teacher training qualification from the University of Durham.

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Website:  JohnDoorbar.com
 
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Timestamped Overview

[00:02:19] A man talks about his childhood, being interested in learning and sports, and how a comment from his headmaster motivated him to study harder. He went on to attend Oxford and became a teacher. His interest in helping people remember effectively led him to move to Italy and then Germany.

[00:05:25] Podcaster helps introvert professionals gain confidence in presenting and building their entrepreneurial business by discovering their “big why” and learning practical techniques.

[00:07:16] New catalyst-led speaking program based on personal experience.

[00:11:30] The author discusses their fear and anxiety, and how they discovered a new way to look at life through the teachings of Dr. Jack Pransky, who helped them understand that our experience of life is not solely based on external circumstances, but also on the filter of our own thinking. They explain the three principles of mind, consciousness, and thought, and how positive or negative feelings generated from our thoughts can impact our actions.

[00:17:30] Other people’s opinions don’t affect me. People operate on different levels of consciousness that can change. Introversion is a myth influenced by past experiences with older people.

[00:21:35] Realized nothing wrong with self & others; passion from learning where life experiences come from, leading to less emotional involvement in negative events, allowing better teaching to help others.

[00:23:37] The text discusses Aristotle’s pyramid of persuasion, highlighting the importance of emotional appeal (pathos), speaker credibility (ethos), and word choice (logos) to successfully communicate a message.

[00:27:24] To prepare for a presentation, find out what’s important to the audience by talking to a few participants. Have a clear key message and focus on it. Don’t worry about memorizing specific words, let them come naturally.

[00:31:47] Use a pyramid structure, practice and record, and have a good intro and outro with a call to action.

[00:33:53] The importance of emotionally interesting and relevant stories is emphasized, with an example of a hero’s journey type story. The idea of finding the jewel within oneself is discussed, with a reference to the story of the Buddha. The message is that we are okay as we are and should focus on what’s inside rather than material possessions.


Q&A About this Episode

Questions & answers

1. Who is the host of the Quiet and Strong podcast, and what is the purpose of the podcast?

– The host of the Quiet and Strong podcast is David Hall, who created quietandstrong.com to understand the strengths and needs of introverts. The purpose of the podcast is to encourage listeners to embrace their introversion and to provide advice and insight for introverts.

2. Who is the guest speaker for this episode?

– The guest speaker for this episode is John Dorbar, an international presenting specialist, management teacher, and business coach who has written three books.

3. How did the speaker overcome their fear of presenting in front of people?

– The speaker tried various self-development courses and coaching but only found relief through transcendental meditation twice a day. They also learned about the three principles of mind, consciousness, and thought from Dr. Jack Pransky.

4. How can introverts boost their confidence when presenting in front of others?

– The speaker recommends phoning two or three audience participants to get a general feeling of the lay of the land and their level of motivation. Knowing more about the audience can boost the confidence of introverts.

5. What is the key take home message for successful presentations?

– The key take home message is crucial, regardless of the length of the presentation. The speaker gives the metaphor of being able to answer what the presentation was about in a succinct and clear way as a sign of a job well done.

6. What structure is recommended for successful presentations, and what are the key elements?

– A pyramid structure, with a basic idea and three sub-ideas, is a simple and effective method used by successful people like Jeff Bezos. The key elements include a good intro, a clear core idea, and a strong outro with a call to action.

7. How can a speaker improve their emotional engagement with an audience?-

Aristotle’s pyramid includes three key ideas: pathos, ethos, and logos. Pathos refers to the emotional atmosphere created by the speaker’s story, which can engage the audience.

8. How can a speaker improve their reputation in the eyes of the audience?

– Ethos refers to the speaker’s standing or reputation in the eyes of the audience, which can make them more willing to listen.

9. How can a speaker improve the understanding of their audience?

– Logos refers to the choice of words and level of formality, which can affect how well the audience understands and relates to the speaker. Combining pathos, ethos, and logos can increase the chance for a successful presentation.

10. What is the purpose of telling a good story in a presentation, and what are some key features of a good story?

– A good story needs to be emotionally interesting and relevant to the audience. It’s important to know the audience and tell a story with a problem behind it. The purpose is to engage the audience and convey a message. The speaker describes a personal hero’s journey story of self-discovery and acceptance, and references a true story of a covered up golden Buddha statue that reveals its true beauty when uncovered. The idea of a good story ending with the message of inner value rather than material objects.


Podcast Transcript

John Doorbar [00:00:00]:

When you’ve got this structure in the middle. This is the core idea. They have a really good intro and a really good outro. The outro preceded by the key message. So a good intro, which is different from others, followed by the key idea of the presentation with the three spokes, and then a really nice outro with a call to action so people know what what you’re expecting them to do.

David Hall [00:00:37]:

Hello and welcome to episode 116 of the Quiet and Strong podcast, especially for introverts. I’m your host, David Hall, and the creator of quiet and strong.com. This is a weekly podcast dedicated to understanding the strengths and needs of introverts. Introversion is not something to fix, but to be embraced normally. We’ll each episode on a Monday. Be sure to subscribe on your favorite platform. Leave a review. That would mean a lot to me. Tell a friend about the podcast. Help get the word out there that introversion is a beautiful thing. John Doorbar teaches people to speak confidently. His newest training program is called Speak with Quiet Confidence, the presenting program for inspired and introverted business professionals. He is an international presenting specialist, management teacher and business coach. He’s also the author of three books, and his latest one is called What Happy People Know. In his international seminars, he helps people to turn from being nervous and fearful into entertaining and impactful performers. John studied at the University of Oxford, where he got his master’s degree. He also completed training at Cambridge University and has a teacher training qualification from the University of Durham. Okay, I’m excited to welcome my guest, John. John. Welcome to the Quiet and Strong Podcast.

John Doorbar [00:01:56]:

Thank you, David. It’s very kind of you to invite me. I appreciate it very much.

David Hall [00:02:01]:

All right, we’re going to get into your work. You’ve spent your life teaching communication skills. We’re going to get into that. Before we do, tell us a little bit more about yourself, about your journey, and then what caused you to spend your life teaching others communication skills.

John Doorbar [00:02:19]:

Yeah, well, I suppose it started when I was actually quite little. I was actually very interested in learning in general, and I had lots and lots of different interests. I was hugely interested in reading, and I also loved sport and I was keen to get an idea of how the world works. I was quite interested and curious in lots of things. Well, I had a brother. I had a brother and he was quite academic and we sort of competed a bit. He was a lot older than me and it was very interesting. We were in the same school, the same primary school, and one day the headmaster of the school said to me, or at least I think he said to me, john, you’ll never be as good as your brother. And this had a fascinating effect on me. I suppose I could have said, okay, that’s it then, or a rude word beginning with F and ending in K U, we’ll see what actually happens. And I took the second route. So I got really into studying, but I was fascinated by the effect that what this thinking about, this Mr. Riley’s comment when I was about four years old, sitting on the chair, listening to him had as an effect on my actions, really. So that was a really important thing. And then I went on to do my A levels, which were the exams to get through, to go to Oxford, to university. So I was very honored to be able to study there. And then I became a teacher. I was interested in teaching. And then I came to Europe. I came to Europe, I went to Italy, and then from Italy I moved to Germany. And this is many, many years ago now. And I was interested in being able to support people, to help them to remember more effectively, to help them in their work and life in general. That’s a long answer to your question, but that sort of gives you a bit of information about the background. David yeah.

David Hall [00:05:17]:

So tell us just a little bit more about how specifically do you teach and train on communication skills? What’s the work that you do?

John Doorbar [00:05:25]:

Yeah, I’m focusing almost exclusively now on helping introvert professionals who are creative and influential to get more confidence when they’re presenting and building up their own entrepreneurial business. And, um, because introverts tend to be reluctant to get out there and show themselves and to show how good they are, because introverts have great skills as extroverts, too. My aim is to help them to be able to feel themselves when they present and to be able to find out what their I suppose Simon Sinek would say, their big why, so that they know exactly why they’re doing it, doing what they’re doing. And this gives them a really good basis on which to build the I like to see it as a structure of the why and then the who the people who actually they’re teaching or selling to, and then the what, which is on this level here, and then the and then the how, which are the techniques. And they also learn some practical techniques to be able to work more effectively.

David Hall [00:07:06]:

Yeah. So your focus on introverts is fairly recent. What made you change to focus on helping introverts?

John Doorbar [00:07:16]:

Yeah, it is really recent. It’s only about three or four months old, let’s say. Wow. And the sort of catalyst for it came from a really great coach who I’ve been working with. And the original plan was for me to develop a really good presentation, just to present to whoever would listen to it. But we didn’t really go to the deeper motivations, which I had for talking or speaking to people at all. And then we delved a bit deeper and we looked into my background and found that there was a very interesting change, which was not gradual, it was very sudden. Where I had always been nervous, even when I was teaching people how to present in companies in 13 different countries, I used to get up in the morning and think, oh, how am I going to get through this day? I suppose when I was working with Howard, it became crystal clear to me that there was one moment where I moved from being really nervous and afraid to not being afraid. And I thought, this is really weird and great at the same time. And so I thought it would be good to be able to teach other people how that actually worked.

David Hall [00:09:07]:

And how did you figure out that you were introvert yourself?

John Doorbar [00:09:12]:

I was super shy. And just a little story. I don’t know whether I’ve told you this story before, David, but when I was probably about seven, I remember we had guests who came to our home. They rang on the bell and that was really quick, but I didn’t answer the answer the door. I ran quickly upstairs along the landing, along the corridor, into my room, closed the door, locked it and into into a wardrobe where I could hide safely with my teddy bear. And then and then I listened intently to think, oh, God, when are they when are these people actually going to leave? So that’s when I first realized I was really shy.

David Hall [00:10:05]:

And then was there anything that helped you to embrace your introversion?

John Doorbar [00:10:12]:

Yeah, I was very fortunate that we had a really loving family. My mum and dad were very loving. I had a brother who was always very supportive, so I was very lucky and lots of friends. And because I was so into sport, I did a lot of team games and so I was sort of integrated into the team. And the neighbors, we had really nice neighbors, so I didn’t really feel left out. So I was really very fortunate in that respect. Um, just just to add a point, because my mum was really quite depressed and she was very introverted too. I think this introversion was something which rubbed off a bit from her. Yeah.

David Hall [00:11:12]:

You recently also wrote a book. It’s called what happy people know. Find mental health. Feel more enthusiastic and optimistic. Be more confident. And I’ve been enjoying your book. What caused you to write this and tell us what it’s about?

John Doorbar [00:11:30]:

Yeah. Thanks, David. Thanks for actually reading it. I appreciate that. Well, I mentioned a bit earlier that I’d had this real strong fear of doing practically anything in front of people. And that could have been friends when I went out to a party, could have been actually teaching in front of a group. It didn’t really matter. I was never really able to relax. I felt pretty nervous. I was very not only nervous, but really quite depressed. And I had horrible thoughts in my mind and I had a mission I had a mission to feel better. And over the years, I took every type of course possible to be able to improve this situation. And I did coaching with some really wonderful coaches, some very well known coaches, and I was spending lots of money on this self development training and it didn’t really work. Apart from TM. Transcendental Meditation did help me to calm down. I still do it now and it’s really good. So that was the one thing that did help me at least twice a day. And I was really in a state where I was not very happy at all. And I was exploring on the Internet and I came across a gentleman, a guy called Dr Jack Bransky. Dr Jack Pransky was one of the people in the forefront of a way of looking at life, a way of it, of teaching people how our experience of life actually works. Now, that sounds a bit weird to say that, but I’ll just explain in a nutshell what I learned from Jack, and that is we often think that something happens outside in our world and then we feel good or bad about it. We buy a fancy car, we feel great for a bit. We get shouted at by the boss, so we feel rubbish for a couple of hours. What I noticed was that there can be two people in exactly the same life situation who are experiencing the same things, but they have a different experience of life. Their feeling about their situation is different. I thought, this is weird. And this is what I learned on Jack’s course, that our experience of life is not from what actually happens, but it’s from we’re looking at it through a filter, which is the thinking which we have about it. And the thinking which we have about it has a really strong effect on the feelings that are generated. And so the thinking is one of the three aspects of what is known to be the three principles. And one is mind. Mind. The other one is consciousness. And the other one is mind has to do with the energy which our universe is made up of. We are part of that. That’s been scientifically corroborated by many different scientists. So that’s the consciousness, the mind. And then you have consciousness. Consciousness is a power which gives reality to thought. So that means that thoughts come through our minds and either we let them go right through or consciousness is mixed with these thoughts. And this generates a feeling either positive or negative. And the consequence of that, of course, is if we have a positive feeling about life, then the things which we do are different than if we than if we’re influenced by negative feelings. I hope that I hope that made sense. David it took me seven years, for me, actually, for the penny to drop here, but some people have this wonderful penny which drops in about 10 minutes, but it’s certainly worth looking into and reflecting on.

David Hall [00:17:20]:

How did that change you learning these three principles.

John Doorbar [00:17:30]:

First of all, it it showed me that I’m not in any way affected by what other people think about me or what they say to me in a presentation or whenever. So what they say is related to their background. Maybe they’ve had a bad day, and so they maybe take it out on the nearest vertical creature, namely me. So that was really important. And the other thing was that everybody’s doing the best that they can on the level of thinking that they’re at at the moment. So if people are on a low level of thinking, a lower level of consciousness, not thinking sorry, a lower level of consciousness, it means that they can’t access the inherent creativity that we have as people. And so they tend to have low energy, they move slowly, they lose interest, and then their consciousness goes up. And then they have more enthusiasm, more life, more spirit. This goes up all the time. So I’m not talking about one group of people who are always on a low level of consciousness or another who are on a high level, because during the day, crazy things happen. And so my level of consciousness goes down. Oh, God. What’s happening here? And then I realize it will change. And if I know that the thinking changes, it means that I’m more optimistic or something else, some other thought coming into my mind. And it means that from a teaching point of view, from a presenting point of view, I do my thing. I have a very clear idea that I want to support and help people. I want to help them get over their feeling that being an introvert is a bit like having some sort of incurable disease, which I don’t believe. And we talked about it when we chatted a month or so ago, David, and my belief is that introversion is a bit like a bit of a myth. It’s a myth that’s based upon the thinking and the input that we’ve got from our adults, the bigger people as we’ve grown up. That’s a bit controversial, but hope you don’t mind.

David Hall [00:20:35]:

Yeah, I think there’s a lot of myths that go with it. To me, being an introvert means we’re a deep thinker, or some people feel things deeply. It’s not shyness. You can overcome shyness, but the deep thinking part is what makes us brilliant. And you’re not going to overcome that, nor should you. But definitely there’s the messages that we receive that make us lose our confidence. And so there’s a lot of that going around. That’s how I see it. But we’re deep thinkers, and that’s a good thing. It’s not going to change, nor should we want it to. But we don’t have to be shy. We can have all the confidence of the world and be an introvert. And I know some very outspoken, introverts.

John Doorbar [00:21:19]:

Yes.

David Hall [00:21:20]:

So, again, you’ve been teaching communication all your career. What do you love about doing that? And where did this passion come from?

John Doorbar [00:21:35]:

Well, I think the passion has come I suppose it started that the real passion started when I realized that there was nothing wrong with me. Yeah, there’s nothing wrong with me and nothing wrong with other people either. It’s just that they’ve been immersed in a background which has not been supportive to them. That’s one thing. And the other thing, it came directly as a result of learning about where our experience of life comes from. So not being screwed up when things happen, but being able to step back a bit and think, okay, what’s happening here? I’m not saying that negative things don’t happen. They do. But when they happen, I don’t get as, let’s say, emotionally involved, as I would have done before, and get into a gigantic, deep black hole. So that’s the experience which I have. So it means that when I’m teaching, the reason I love the teaching is because I know deep down that other people can benefit from learning this. And so it gives me a good feeling to know that, and it gives me enthusiasm, energy and a good connection with the people. So I suppose I feel that I’m really helping at the end of the day.

David Hall [00:23:23]:

And what makes a good presenter? What makes a good presentation?

John Doorbar [00:23:29]:

Oh, that’s a good question. Yeah.

David Hall [00:23:35]:

I know there’s a lot to that.

John Doorbar [00:23:37]:

Yeah. No, I think I would sort of boil it down into three key ideas. One is being able to set up a good well, let me look at some wonderful research by Aristotle. Aristotle has this pyramid, and the pyramid is really great. He talks about pathos. Pathos has to do with the atmosphere that comes with the emotion that you bring in. So if you bring in a really emotional story, then the people are on the edge of their seat. So this is a really important aspect. The second one is what he called ethos. And ethos has to do with the standing which you have in the eyes of the people who you’re speaking to. So it could be the reputation, it could be that you have a doctorate, it could be that you’re a medical doctor. It could be that something amazing has happened to you. So you have a big story behind you, many things, but that’s really important. It sort of puts you in a position where people are willing to listen to you. I think I put it that way. And the third one is the logos, which are the words, the words that you choose. The words could be positive or negative. They could be emotionally charged or boring. It could be that the register is so high, the formality, the level of formality, that nobody gets what you’re talking about because you are not able to put yourself as a specialist in other people’s position, maybe as more lay folk, lay people. So I think that if you’re able to bring these together the logos, the ethos and the pathos, the very important emotional side, the words themselves and the reputation which you bring, then there’s a good chance that the presentation will go down well.

David Hall [00:26:19]:

And I think something I’ve learned about what you’re saying is whether it be a large presentation in front of a large conference or you’re presenting just to a small group at work, you’re presenting for a reason because you have some expertise. And the expertise could be in a lot of different things, but you’re presenting because you have some expertise in something in the work that you do or an interest that you have. And I think that’s an important part to remember. Storytelling, as you said, is also a big part of all of this. We’re made for stories as people. We relate to stories. And you brought up Aristotle. He lived quite a long time ago and stories have been around ever since. We’ve been able to communication skills. That’s a really important part. And then, of course, the words. So how do we prepare to make a captivating speech? How do we think about the words that we want to say? And how do we prepare ahead of time, especially as introverts?

John Doorbar [00:27:24]:

Well, the way I do it and the way I recommend that people do it is actually that they find out what’s important to people, the actual audience. So I would recommend that people actually telephone two or three of the audience participants, if that’s possible. And then you get a general feeling of the lay of the land, how the people, the mood that people come in or the level of motivation that they might have. And by finding out a bit about them, they’re not completely new to you, they’re not strangers anymore. And that’s really useful as an introvert because if you know people and if you’ve maybe had more of a personal chat with them, then the level of confidence, certainly, which I have, is higher. And then the second thing would be the key take home message. What’s the point? I like to give them the metaphor of sitting in a pub after my presentation and there are two of the people who have been in the presentation and one asks the other over his glass of really cool beer so what did this guy John talk about then? And if she or he can answer the question in a succinct and clear way and it was in fact the same thing that I said then I’ve done a good job. In other words, the main take home message is for me a hugely important thing, no matter how long the presentation is. You think of Martin Luther King with his one key taker message of wanting to have this vision of people being working, being able to be together no matter what the color of their skin. That’s the key message. Yeah, big key message. And you mentioned the words. Sounds a bit weird, but I think I would collect the words, which I think would be useful, but I wouldn’t try to learn them. I would more go with my intuition and know that the words would come to me at the right time.

David Hall [00:30:05]:

Okay, so you’re saying you don’t script it all out, but how do you prepare? Is there things that you recommend, especially for introverts, to prepare ahead of time and think about the things they want to say, even if that’s not scripted out?

John Doorbar [00:30:19]:

Yeah. What I personally like is to use a mind map. A mind map? Basically, if you have a basic idea, here the key take home message and then the different points of that take home message, which come out as a bit like a star. And then depending on the level of detail that you have, you can make this quite a sophisticated star and use that as a type of crib card, really. And then I would literally have this in front of me and not feel bad if occasionally I refer to it. I don’t think it’s bad if I look down and say, I dissect David. Forgotten what I want to say next. People are basically quite kind, I think, because they know when you present that you’re under a bit of pressure, maybe.

David Hall [00:31:35]:

Yes. So how do you help introverts, or how do introverts gain confidence and not be so nervous about giving presentations and speeches?

John Doorbar [00:31:47]:

Well, one thing I think is to have a crystal clear structure. The crystal clear structure helps them to know how they’re going to say what they’re going to say, because it’s horrible being in a position where you don’t know what you’re going to say next. And the clear structure is a very simple one, which I use, and you have a basic idea and then three sub ideas, three sub ideas, and I call it a pyramid structure. It’s really simple and it’s used by people like Jeff Bezos from Amazon, and that is idiot proof in creating a core idea. The other thing is, and this sounds a bit school teacher like, is I get people to practice and practice and record it and practice until it’s sort of in their blood. And the third thing I would do is I would make sure that when you’ve got this structure in the middle, this is the core idea. They have a really good intro and a really good outro. The outro preceded by the key message. So a good intro, which is different from others, followed by the key idea of the presentation with the three spokes. Or it could be in more detail, with more detail below the three key ideas, and then a really nice outro with a call to action so people know what you’re expecting them to do.

David Hall [00:33:44]:

I want to get back to you mentioned the importance of storytelling. What makes a good story? How do you choose your stories as a presenter?

John Doorbar [00:33:53]:

Yeah, I think a story needs to be emotionally interesting and is relevant to the people you’re speaking to. So I think it’s important to know the audience and to be able to tell a story which is which has which has a problem behind it. The story of me and the little kid when I was hiding in the cupboard, that’s a sort of hero’s journey type story, where you have this little guy who doesn’t know on Earth what to do. He hides, and then he goes through the whole of his life thinking, oh, shit, how can I be better? How can I not be so screwed up? And then at the end, he’s able to see that maybe he wasn’t screwed up in the first place. He was okay as he was. And so it’s just a question of finding the jewel within us. There’s a wonderful story of the Buddha. This is a nice story, and it’s a true one. There was this golden Buddha that they had, and this was in Tibet, and they knew that this golden Buddha was going to be stolen by incoming troops. And so what they did was they covered this up in plaster of Paris, and so it was not to be seen. You couldn’t actually see that this was gold and very, very valuable. And I can’t remember the details of the story, but a long time later, somebody saw that there was this shape, and it would be interesting to see what’s underneath. And of course, when they did that, it revealed this amazing statue of the golden Buddha. That would be the way in which I would see a really good story ending with the idea of, there’s nothing wrong with you, you’re okay, and it’s just a question of seeing what’s inside rather than thinking, how can I get more material objects? I think that’s how I’d answer that question. Yeah.

David Hall [00:36:45]:

And definitely thank you for sharing your story today. Your own hero’s journey. So that’s amazing. You’re now focusing on introverts. How would you characterize the difference in your courses? How has your courses changed? To focus on introverts.

John Doorbar [00:37:03]:

I think I need to be a bit more a bit careful about the way in which I use language. I think it’s important to, again, create a good atmosphere. That’s the same for extroverts, for introverts, I think they have to be given time to settle down, but then to sort of help them to become really active in a presentation. If they’re more active, then they’re able to create more energy and enthusiasm in themselves, and then it’s a sort of self fulfilling prophecy. When they feel more energetic, more enthusiasm, then it keeps getting bigger and bigger. And so to transfer this to their audiences, too. So it’s sort of slow start, I think, and then showing them that if you bring more energy into a presentation. Not only do you feel better about it as an introvert presenter, but the audience get more involved and they sit there on the edge of their seats and not playing with their mobile phone.

David Hall [00:38:21]:

Yeah, right. Okay, John, we’ve talked about a lot of great things today. Is there anything else that you want to talk about that we haven’t hit on yet?

John Doorbar [00:38:33]:

There is, actually, and I’ve not talked about this to anybody, David, and that is there’s a big why behind what I do, too. A big why. And my big why is not only teaching people to feel great about presenting, but I have this idea of helping people, particularly in England, who are teenagers, who are depressed and that they’re a bit lost, really. And now I’d like to teach them this idea of three principles to help them to see that they are really okay, too. So that would be a final thing that I would say.

David Hall [00:39:18]:

Yeah, it’s definitely needed. Definitely needed. So, John, where can people find out more about your work, working with you, your workshops or your book?

John Doorbar [00:39:29]:

Yes, well, at the moment, they could find out about that on Johndoorbar.com. That’s where my website is. And at the moment, I’m just in the process of creating a new website on a platform which is called Learn World, Learn Worlds. And I must admit, I’m not quite sure exactly what the actual title of that will be yet. It’s really going to be finished in two weeks. But if they if they look at JohnDoorbar.com and contact me via the telephone number there, or send me an email, then I will make sure that when my new website is up, then I will contact them and send them the current details. That’s not a very good marketing trick, is it, David? That’s just reality.

David Hall [00:40:41]:

I will put your current website in the show notes and of course, we’ll look forward to seeing what’s next for you.

John Doorbar [00:40:48]:

That’s great, David. Thanks for asking me the question. And thanks for inviting me. It’s been really great.

David Hall [00:40:55]:

Yeah. Thank you, John. This has been a great conversation.

John Doorbar [00:40:58]:

Super. Thank you.

David Hall [00:41:00]:

Thank you so much for joining me. I look forward to further connecting with you. Reach out at david@quietstrong.com or check out the Quietinstrong.com website, which includes blog posts, links to social media and other items. Send me topics or guests you would like to see on the show. If you’re interested in getting to know yourself better, there’s now a free type finder personality assessment on the Quiet and Strong website. This free assessment will give you a brief report, including the four letter Myers Bricks code. I’ll add a link to the show notes. There’s so many great things about being an introvert, so we need those to be understood. Get to know your introverted strengths and needs and be strong. 

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