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Are you looking to improve your communication skills in any setting? Whether you’re speaking to a room filled with hundreds of people, giving a presentation at work, or just talking one-on-one, it’s important to be able to communicate your message effectively.

In this episode, David and his guest Richard Newman explore the importance of presence, body language and storytelling in any setting. You’ll learn how to make a lasting impression and engage your audience through these key elements of communication.  Learn practical strategies from Richard that will help you communicate your message effectively in any setting. 

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Business leaders all over the world rely on Richard Newman to transform their communication and to speak on the biggest stages. One client won over $1 Billion in new business in one year, using Richard’s techniques. His team has trained 120,000 clients worldwide. But Richard had to learn it all from scratch. Richard is highly introverted. He has high-functioning autism. He was painfully shy as a child.

Aged 18, Richard started his mission to discover the core communication principles. He went to live in the foothills of the Himalayas with Tibetan monks, who spoke no English. They had to communicate non-verbally to understand each other. He then worked as a professional actor, studying how to walk, move and speak to increase his impact on an audience. He became a keynote speaker, coach, author, and speechwriter, winning the coveted Cicero Grand Prize for Best Speechwriter of the Year.

Unleashing the Power of Presence, Storytelling, and Public Speaking: A Journey with Richard Newman

As I sat down with the remarkable Richard Newman for the latest episode of The Quiet And Strong Podcast, little did I know that our conversation would unfold into a masterclass on the art of communication. Richard, a seasoned coach and communication expert, shared insights that resonated deeply with me and left me inspired to delve deeper into the world of presence, storytelling, and public speaking.

Breaking Free from Communication Barriers

Richard began our discussion by addressing a common misconception – the belief that some people are not born to be good communicators. He emphasized that humans are inherently wired to speak, drawing on examples of how babies effortlessly develop communication skills. However, over time, we often develop habits and defenses that hinder our ability to communicate effectively.

As someone who struggled with communication from a young age, Richard’s journey to mastering this skill was both personal and profound. He shared anecdotes of pivotal moments that shaped his understanding of the power of effective communication, highlighting the importance of breaking free from self-imposed limitations.

Overcoming Communication Challenges

Through his work with thousands of individuals over the years, Richard discovered that with dedication and practice, anyone can overcome communication challenges. He emphasized the need to build confidence by actively participating in discussions, seeking opportunities to speak publicly, and honing one’s storytelling abilities.

Richard’s insights shed light on the idea that being heard often depends not just on the content of one’s message, but also on how it is delivered. By encouraging listeners to step out of their comfort zones and amplify their voices, Richard empowers individuals to advocate for their ideas and make a tangible impact.

Embracing Introversion and Harnessing Presence

One of the most insightful aspects of my conversation with Richard was his emphasis on understanding and embracing introversion. He shared valuable tips on how introverts can leverage their strengths, such as quiet reflection and thoughtful preparation, to enhance their presence and communicate effectively.

Richard’s advice on cultivating presence through congruency, outward focus, and physical posture resonated deeply with me. His study on the power of gravitas underscored the impact of nonverbal cues in conveying confidence and authority, a lesson that I believe holds immense value for anyone looking to make a lasting impression.

The Transformative Power of storytelling

Delving into the realm of storytelling, Richard introduced me to the transformative power of narrative in communication. By emphasizing the importance of engaging the audience’s survival, emotional, and logical minds in storytelling, he highlighted the immense potential of crafting compelling narratives that captivate and inspire.

Richard’s collaboration with storytelling luminary Robert McKee underscored the art and complexity of weaving narratives that resonate with audiences on a profound level. His insights on moving beyond mere data-driven presentations towards emotionally resonant storytelling struck a chord with me, reinforcing the notion that great communication is as much art as it is skill.

Navigating Neurodiversity and Embracing Differences

In a poignant moment of vulnerability, Richard shared his recent diagnosis of autism and its impact on his perspective of the world. His unwavering belief in the value of neurodiversity and individual differences as strengths left me reflecting on the power of embracing our unique qualities in communication and beyond.

Final Thoughts: Cultivating Impactful Communication

As I concluded my conversation with Richard Newman, I was left with a renewed sense of purpose and a deep appreciation for the art of communication. His insights on presence, storytelling, and public speaking serve as a beacon of inspiration, guiding us towards unlocking our full potential as communicators and storytellers.

Richard’s journey from a place of self-doubt to one of mastery serves as a testament to the transformative power of effective communication. His message of empowerment, coupled with practical tips and profound wisdom, resonates with anyone seeking to amplify their voice and make a meaningful difference in the world.

Join me on this journey of discovery and growth as we unravel the secrets of presence, storytelling, and public speaking with the incomparable Richard Newman. Together, let’s harness the power of communication to create lasting impact and inspire positive change in our lives and communities.

Stay tuned for more empowering conversations on The Quiet And Strong Podcast, where we celebrate the quiet strength within us all.

Key Takeaways From This Episode

  • Speaking up and advocating for your ideas is crucial to making them happen.
  • Introverts should embrace their natural tendencies and use quiet time for preparation to perform at their best.
  • Storytelling is a powerful tool for effective communication, engaging the survival mind, emotional mind, and logical mind in that order.
  • To make an impact, focus on capturing the audience’s attention, making them care about the message, and offering a solution or positive outcome.
  • Understand the audience’s perspective and tailor the message to resonate with them.
  • Embrace individual differences as strengths, such as being neurodiverse, and appreciate the value they bring to organizations.
  • Develop presence through congruency, outward focus, and physical posture to have a stronger impact on others.

Make Changes Now

After listening to this podcast episode, here are a few actions you can take immediately to apply what you’ve learned:

  1. Begin your day with a positive mindset: Try the speaker’s suggestion of priming your thoughts for positive engagement by putting on your running shoes and going outside. As you exercise, imagine future scenarios where you act and react in a way you would be proud of. This exercise can help you start your day with a focused and confident mindset.
  2. Speak up early in meetings: The speaker advises that even if you don’t have a groundbreaking idea to share, it’s important to speak up early in meetings to get your voice heard. This can be as simple as agreeing with someone else’s point or offering a supportive comment. By doing so, you build confidence and encourage further participation.
  3. Join Toastmasters or other speaking opportunities: To improve your public speaking skills, consider joining organizations like Toastmasters where you can practice speaking in front of groups. By actively seeking out opportunities to speak, you’ll build your confidence and hone your communication abilities.
  4. Embrace your introversion: If you consider yourself an introvert, trust in your natural strengths. Take the speaker’s advice on incorporating quiet time and preparation to perform at your best. Don’t feel pressured to perform like an extrovert, but instead, use your preparation process and take advantage of your ability to focus and think deeply.
  5. Cultivate presence: Apply what you’ve learned about presence in this episode. Work on aligning your body language, voice, and words to convey congruency. Practice being outwardly focused by being aware of others’ reactions and adapting your communication style accordingly. Finally, pay attention to your physical posture, maintaining a firm and confident stance to project gravitas and make a stronger impact on others.

Remember, applying these actions will require dedication and practice over time. However, by taking these immediate steps, you can start to improve your communication skills, presence, and impact.

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Timestamped Overview

02:38 The speaker had a journey of struggling with communication and shyness. They overcame it by studying body language, teaching English in the Himalayas, studying acting, and eventually becoming a coach. They have trained 120,000 people.
08:41 Recognize introversion’s power, embrace quiet time for preparation, find a balance with extroversion.
12:20 The author enjoys being creative alone, while extroverts thrive by bouncing ideas off others. They see their autism as a different way of seeing the world, allowing them to break down communication and help others. Being different is seen as a strength in companies.
15:45 The text emphasizes that everyone is born with the ability to communicate effectively, but habits and challenges may hinder this skill. With dedication, these obstacles can be overcome.
19:14 To have presence, one must have congruency in body language, voice, and words, outward focus on others, and good posture.
23:16 In storytelling, the three areas of the brain: survival, emotional, and logical, must be engaged in the right order for a compelling story. Many people in business focus only on logic, leaving their audience unengaged.
25:54 Before presenting an idea or update, it is important to engage the listener by addressing their concerns and desires. By appealing to their survival instincts and connecting their current challenges to potential future ones, you can establish their interest. Then, you can discuss how your proposal or update can help them achieve what they want, earning the right to present the logic and details.
31:09 The author discusses the importance of speaking up and having a voice, and provides tips for building confidence and being heard in meetings.
37:41 Understanding the audience is crucial for successful communication. Thoroughly investigating perspectives and challenges helps tailor the message effectively. A relevant example is given, highlighting the importance of connecting with the audience on a personal level. A team member’s successful application of this approach is also mentioned.
41:28 You can overcome fear of public speaking by taking small steps consistently. It’s like starting with light weights at the gym and gradually progressing.

Podcast Transcript

00;00;00;01 – 00;00;02;02
David Hall
How did you gain confidence as an introvert?

00;00;03;09 – 00;00;18;06
Richard Newman
Well, I think there’s huge power in knowing, first of all, that you are one. And secondly, that’s okay, because I think that’s a lot of this. When you’re younger, we’re told, you know, speak up. I also had friends say to me, why are you so quiet all the time? Why aren’t you speaking as much as other people?

00;00;18;06 – 00;00;43;27
Richard Newman
And I was sitting there really happy thinking, Well, I’m enjoying the evening as much as everybody else. I just don’t feel the need to speak right now. And, you know, like we were saying before, half the world is introvert. So it is okay. And many, many brilliant thinkers, many brilliant creators and leaders have been introverts.

00;00;47;08 – 00;01;09;26
David Hall
Hello and welcome to episode 89 of the Quiet and Strong Podcast, especially for introverts. I’m your host, David Hall, and the creator of It’s a weekly podcast dedicated to understanding the strengths and needs of introverts. Introversion is not something to fix, but to be embraced. Normally, we will air each episode on a Monday. Be sure to subscribe on your favorite platform.

00;01;10;02 – 00;01;34;22
David Hall
Leave a review. Tell a friend. Help get the word out there. Business leaders all over the world rely on Richard Neumann to transform their communication and to speak on the biggest stages. One client, one over 1 billion in new business in one year. Using Richard’s techniques, his team has trained 120,000 clients worldwide. But Richard had to learn it all from scratch.

00;01;35;03 – 00;02;02;00
David Hall
Richard is highly introverted. He has high functioning autism. He was painfully shy as a child at age 18. Richard started his mission to discover the core communication principles. He went to live in the foothills of the Himalayas with Tibetan monks who spoke no English. They had to communicate non-verbally to understand each other. He then worked as a professional actor, studying how to walk, move and speak to increase impact on an audience.

00;02;02;21 – 00;02;11;22
David Hall
He became a keynote speaker, coach, author and speechwriter, winning the coveted Cicero Grand Prize for Best Speech Writer of the Year.

00;02;13;23 – 00;02;19;04
David Hall
All right. Well, I’m excited for my guest, Richard. Welcome to the Quiet and Strong podcast, Richard.

00;02;20;14 – 00;02;22;10
Richard Newman
Thanks, David. I really appreciate you having me on.

00;02;23;00 – 00;02;36;24
David Hall
Yeah, it’s great to have you. We’re definitely going to talk about the work you do and the book you’ve written. But first, tell us about yourself and your journey through being shy and introverted to helping people all over the world to improve their communication and have impact.

00;02;38;05 – 00;02;58;28
Richard Newman
Yeah. Thanks. So it’s it’s a bit of a sort of unique journey is I guess everybody’s journey is. So when I was when I was at school, I was very aware that I was a shy I was I was introvert. I remember from the age of sort of four or five, sensing that I was a struggling with communication and struggling to connect with the people around me.

00;02;58;28 – 00;03;21;26
Richard Newman
And early on, about the age of five, I moved schools and suddenly found myself surrounded by a bunch of new kids and unable to really connect with them to be able to be in conversation with them felt sort of left out of the conversation and struggled with it through school years and teenage years as well. Getting to the point where I thought, you know, I really need to do something about this.

00;03;21;26 – 00;03;41;11
Richard Newman
In fact, when I was 16, a friend of mine bought me a book called Body Language, and it was by Alan Pease. The classic text back then, and she said, You really need this. You’ve got to improve this side of yourself because this is good for you. This is going to be good for other people, too. And I read it and immediately thought, Wow, this is amazing.

00;03;41;12 – 00;03;58;17
Richard Newman
I had no idea about any of this stuff. But then I thought, well, maybe everybody else knows this. Maybe this isn’t some sort of secret magic that I’m now going to learn. Maybe everyone else is a step ahead of me. And then coming towards the end of school, I think, you know, pivotal moment for me, I knew that I was not doing well with communication.

00;03;58;17 – 00;04;16;10
Richard Newman
I, I tried going to a debating evening where there was a debate going on. I was just sitting at the back, just watching what was happening. And a teacher tried to get me up to say something to contribute. And I felt absolutely terrified and thought, Well, I’m never doing that again. Like, don’t ever ask me to speak in front of an audience.

00;04;17;09 – 00;04;40;17
Richard Newman
But so shortly after that, there was a friend of mine who who I love and who I think is brilliant, who his dream was to go to Oxford University, which in the UK, you know, that’s like going to Harvard or Yale. It’s like the big thing that academically you might root for. And he was rejected from there. And one of the comments they made in his letter was that his communication skills in the interview had not been what they hoped for.

00;04;40;28 – 00;05;01;10
Richard Newman
And that really struck me where I thought, he’s so brilliant, he’s so talented. He is the best read person that I could imagine. He he clearly deserved to be there. But the communication skills was the place where they rejected him. So I thought, I have to overcome this. I’ve got to work on this piece. And so what I did was I had university offers, but I rejected all of them.

00;05;01;17 – 00;05;26;02
Richard Newman
And I decided to go and live in the foothills of the Himalayas where I was teaching English to Tibetan monks. And so, of course, I mean, an introvert like me would be drawn to the idea of living in a monastery where there’s a lot of silent time, but also what it forced me to do was that every single day I would need to stand up and command a group of people and and teach them.

00;05;26;02 – 00;05;47;21
Richard Newman
And I couldn’t. When I got there, I couldn’t speak to them in English because they didn’t understand English. And so I had to use my body language and tone of voice every day to engage them, to hold them captive, to really communicate with them and get to the point where they could understand me. And also every day I was working with a group of kids aged nine till 9 to 12 years old at a local Tibetan school.

00;05;48;04 – 00;06;19;21
Richard Newman
And in that situation, some of them they could speak a few words of English or better English, but I was still needing to navigate. How do I grab their attention? How do I communicate? How do I command respect? And I did that for six months and loved the experience and came back to the UK. I then studied acting and you know, you and I were speaking about this briefly before, but I’d always loved acting from at the age of four or five, I’d put myself for the school place and felt liberated by it because when I when I was given a script, I thought, I finally know what to say.

00;06;20;06 – 00;06;41;15
Richard Newman
Somebody is there, somebody put it in front of me. And if I say this, I’m saying the right thing. I won’t offend anybody because it’s here in the script. And the director would say, Stand there. And when you say this word, move over there. So I found it hugely liberating. I love doing musicals as well because then you not only know what to say, but you know what intonation you’re supposed to have, what pitch the words should have, how fast to say it to so.

00;06;41;19 – 00;07;02;07
Richard Newman
So I love doing that. And what I learned though, in London acting school was they taught you all about presents, storytelling, how to sit, breathe and move in a way that would have an impact on somebody else, which was just extraordinary for me, really lapping up, learning how to communicate non-verbally and how to bring a story to life.

00;07;02;16 – 00;07;21;00
Richard Newman
And then after that, I did a little bit of work with acting, but very quickly turned that as a passion into coaching other people. And that then grew and over the course of that’s been growing now for 22 years, I started this hobby business and we’ve now trained 120,000 people. So it’s it’s been an incredible journey.

00;07;22;11 – 00;07;33;16
David Hall
That’s amazing. That’s a great story and how those things played into the work that you’re doing now, helping other people speak and communicate. And that’s awesome. So what was.

00;07;33;27 – 00;07;52;22
Richard Newman
It to build on that story, David? Helping other people there. What I quite like in what I’m doing is that what I’ve noticed is that other people who teach communication sometimes come at it because they’ve been told, Oh, you’re a great communicator, come and teach me how to do that. And they haven’t necessarily had the challenge of having to figure out how to communicate.

00;07;53;04 – 00;08;11;10
Richard Newman
And so when they’re teaching somebody else who has that challenge, then they may not know what that journey is because they’ve never taken the journey. And so that’s what I always love to do, is to work with people who say, Look, I’m really scared to stand up and speak to people. I don’t know what to do with my body language and to be able to say to them, Look, I’ve been on this journey.

00;08;11;10 – 00;08;16;16
Richard Newman
I know exactly where you are in the journey and I can bring you forward. So that’s that’s really what I love about what we do.

00;08;17;17 – 00;08;28;22
David Hall
Yeah, that’s, that’s great because you do know the challenges that some other people might take for granted, having never had those challenges, not understanding how to help someone that has. And that’s, that’s really great.

00;08;29;19 – 00;08;29;29
Richard Newman

00;08;31;02 – 00;08;39;22
David Hall
The podcast is designed to help introverts understand their strengths and needs. How did you gain confidence as an introvert?

00;08;41;12 – 00;08;56;09
Richard Newman
Well, I think there’s huge power in knowing, first of all, that you are one, and secondly, that that’s okay, because I think that’s a lot of the swimmer younger we told you not to speak up. I also had friends say to me, why are you so quiet all the time? Why aren’t you speaking as much as other people?

00;08;56;09 – 00;09;23;14
Richard Newman
And I was sitting there really happy thinking, Well, I’m enjoying the evening as much as everybody else. I just don’t feel the need to speak right now. And, you know, like we were saying before, half the world is introvert. So it is okay. And many, many brilliant thinkers, many brilliant creators and leaders have been introverts. And so I think that as soon as I was able to recognize, okay, that’s where I am, I straightaway realized, okay, quiet time is important for me.

00;09;23;24 – 00;09;39;16
Richard Newman
If I am about to perform at my best, I’m not the person who’s out there doing banter with the crowd. I remember early days when I was building my speaking career. I went to an event. It was a workshop I was attending rather than leading, and somebody said, What do you do? And I said, I’m a speaker and I’m a teacher.

00;09;39;27 – 00;09;56;20
Richard Newman
And this guy was an after dinner speaker and very much an extrovert. And he said, No, you can’t possibly be. Tell me a joke, say something funny. And I had to explain to him that that’s not my process. I mean, if you’re if you’re an extra extrovert and stand up comedian, great. That’s that’s not who I am. What I do is I take quiet time.

00;09;56;27 – 00;10;16;06
Richard Newman
I like to be really well prepared. And that preparation for me is also liberation. I don’t use preparation to handcuff myself such that I have to do things that way, but it becomes liberating because I’m so confident that I, I know where I’m heading and why I’m heading there. And I’ve really had that time to prepare my thoughts to the best of my ability.

00;10;16;17 – 00;10;34;06
Richard Newman
And I remember one of the the first full day workshops that I ran for for a group of about ten people, and I’d prepared for months. I’d gone over and over my material. And this lady at about 3:00 in the afternoon, she said, Richard, I’ve got to stop you and just ask, how is it possible that you’re doing what you’re doing?

00;10;34;06 – 00;10;55;03
Richard Newman
But you haven’t said once, you just seen him in complete command of what’s going on and I had say to it, you know, it’s it’s down to the level of preparation. Like, if that’s what it takes to me, other people can stand up and just go. But for me, that preparation time is okay. And, you know, I take confidence in hearing about other people doing this.

00;10;55;03 – 00;11;15;19
Richard Newman
So I’ve been told I haven’t looked at behind this, but someone was telling me that Barack Obama is an introvert. And there’s a nice picture of him at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, which is, I believe, where he did a quite a breakthrough speech. And it’s before he gets on stage and he’s just completely by himself having a quiet moment.

00;11;15;19 – 00;11;32;19
Richard Newman
I think his eyes are closed and he’s looking at the floor and it’s showing that preparation moment, which my team knows that what I like to do when I’m running workshops is have a member of my team who is an extrovert. Because if the client comes up and says, Hey, Richard, what’s going on? Let’s chat, let’s talk. What I want to do is my preparation.

00;11;33;00 – 00;11;51;22
Richard Newman
And so I say, Oh, here’s Bob from my team. And Bob, what did you have a chat with Angela and see what needs to be done. And then I take my quiet time. So, you know, I think balancing things out that way can work. And I would say for introverts, just trust the fact that it’s okay not to do what extroverts are doing in their preparation.

00;11;52;08 – 00;12;10;24
David Hall
Yeah, that’s what this show is about. And it’s what do you need? Because I’m the same way. If I’m going to give a speech, I need to prepare ahead of time. Or, you know, even before this podcast, I did just some quiet time before we got started and it’s just normal and my extroverted friends can get up and wing it and everybody loves it, but not me.

00;12;11;03 – 00;12;19;27
David Hall
So that’s amazing. What would you say is a strength of yours because of introversion?

00;12;19;27 – 00;12;43;17
Richard Newman
What I what I particularly like, what I really enjoy is the ability to be creative by myself. And what I mean is that I notice this when I’m running workshops and, you know, I can have people in front of me, anything from ten people up to a thousand people at a time. And if I set a task where I say, okay, I’d like you all to write a story using the storytelling techniques I’ve worked on with you, something you can use in your business.

00;12;43;24 – 00;13;07;22
Richard Newman
Off you go. And the introverts go. And they did the finger on the page. They’re working through the process, they’re being creative. And I see the creatives nudge their neighbor like you want. Have a chat. I feel like I need to say this out loud to get my ideas going. And so it’s that different process. And so, so I noticed that the extroverts can really thrive by having someone to bounce their ideas off of in order to get things to come to life.

00;13;08;08 – 00;13;28;11
Richard Newman
So as an example of this, I was thinking about Matt Damon and Ben Affleck when they were writing their script, Good Will Hunting, that won the Oscar and they were apparently the way that creators, they just get together and they would put a tape recorder in a room and they just do dialog back and forth, being each of the characters bouncing ideas around before finding, put and putting them on the page.

00;13;28;20 – 00;13;49;11
Richard Newman
Whereas, you know, I’ve written scripts and books in the past and what I love to do is just lock myself in a place with a keyboard and a cup of coffee and I can go and I can live in that creative space. So I think that’s that’s hugely powerful. The other side is that, you know, just recently this earlier this year, I was diagnosed with autism.

00;13;49;11 – 00;14;15;11
Richard Newman
And so autism is a huge spectrum. And there are people with many greater challenges than I have, some what’s known as high functioning autistic, which means a higher IQ and the ability of speech. But essentially what I have learned from it is that it gives me a label or disability. For me. I see it as a way of seeing the world differently, which is that I have I have a different way of saying communication skills.

00;14;15;11 – 00;14;34;20
Richard Newman
So people who are neurotypical, which is most of the population, they will understand things like a banter and day to day flow of conversation, whereas for me I’ve had to really figure it out and figure out, okay, why is that person moving their hands now? What? What did that person breathe in the middle of the sentence? Why did that pitch go up over there?

00;14;34;28 – 00;14;57;02
Richard Newman
And none of those things were pieces that I really recognized early on. And so that’s been very powerful because then I’ve been able to fully break down communication and see it from a different perspective, and then I can help other people break it down for themselves. So I always think that anything that you’ve got that gives you a different perspective to other people, whatever that may be, whether it’s being introvert, autistic or something else is.

00;14;57;02 – 00;15;17;01
Richard Newman
It’s so valuable because what we’ve seen in companies and there’s a lot of talk of this recently, is that neurodiversity within organization is something that can create much greater strength for a company because people are seeing things from a different perspective. And so in any way that someone listening to this is different to those around them, that’s a strength.

00;15;18;11 – 00;15;39;01
David Hall
Yeah. And it’s so needed because that’s often the great changes that are made, are made by somebody that sees things differently. And that’s so important, whether it be in our organizations or just globally, you know, the people that see things differently, that’s who makes the changes. So that is a very important point. So I am enjoying your book, your book.

00;15;39;02 – 00;15;45;14
David Hall
You were born to speak. And I want to just start like tell us about the title You Were Born to Speak.

00;15;45;14 – 00;16;03;10
Richard Newman
Yeah, this title. You know, I thought for a long time about what I wanted it to be. And essentially I went for this because one of the big objections that I have walked into over two decades of teaching people communication is that some people say, Oh, I don’t know if this course is for me. You know, you know, some people are born to speak.

00;16;03;10 – 00;16;23;28
Richard Newman
Some people aren’t. And I’m just not I’ve never been good at it and I’ve been on other courses. Nothing’s helped. So therefore I’ll never be a good communicator. And my lesson really for everybody. I wanted to be on the front page, something that was a mantra that would shift their mind, because the biggest the biggest shift you can make towards being a confident speaker is understanding you are born to speak.

00;16;23;28 – 00;16;43;24
Richard Newman
That’s that’s a natural state. So when you’ve got, you know, a human being, when they are born and they’re gradually growing around, you know, one year old, they learn to stand up and they stand confidently and they stand with gravitas. They stand with gravity on their side, because if they did anything else, they’d fall over. So initially they stand with their legs together and they fall over.

00;16;43;24 – 00;17;01;23
Richard Newman
They stand with their legs, with their weight. On one side, they fall over. Eventually they figure out how to stand with gravitas, and you’ve got it. And then they start to use their arms when they’re expressing themselves and trying to get people’s attention and tell a story. And then they use their voice going up and down as they’re telling stories and they’ve got this extraordinary presence.

00;17;02;00 – 00;17;22;12
Richard Newman
And anyone seen this, if you see a child where there’s a group of adults and the child comes up and says, I have to tell you something, and the whole room is riveted because they’re using their voice, their gestures, passion and they are completely in the moment. They don’t have half a mind on their shopping list of things they must get done that day or half, mind on the future and worry that’s there they are in that moment.

00;17;22;23 – 00;17;48;18
Richard Newman
And the challenge then that comes up is that over the years we build up armor, as I describe it, where you might get rejected from certain situations, you might feel pain in certain situations that lead you to holding back as a communicator. And really what I often do with people is to set them free from those habits. And the challenge with those habits is that often people have had the habits for so long that they think, Oh, this is who I am, I am these habits.

00;17;48;26 – 00;18;11;05
Richard Newman
And often I have to say to them, okay, that’s not you. That’s not your full potential. Let’s put those habits down and expand who you are and bring you back to how you were born to speak. But as a final caveat, I’ll give a round that I was interviewing a lady on my podcast going back a couple of years ago, and she was a specialist in early stage development of communication, and she gave some really interesting statistic on this.

00;18;11;05 – 00;18;37;18
Richard Newman
She said that 90% of people of the children that she was working with had what she considered neurotypical communication. Everything was fine. Then there was two and a half percent that had some kind of permanent disability or challenge, which might be permanent hearing loss, which was affecting their ability to connect. Then she said this about seven and a half percent, where they will have a challenge that they can potentially work through.

00;18;38;07 – 00;18;58;24
Richard Newman
And it was only when I was driving it back to the railway station after we met where I said, I think I’m in that group. And she said, No, you can’t be. And I said, Well, talk me through what would put me in that group. And I checked every box that she mentioned. And, you know, she said it just goes to show that if you really work on communication, then whatever challenges you’re having, you can get past them.

00;18;59;12 – 00;19;01;14
Richard Newman
If you if you stay dedicated long enough.

00;19;02;29 – 00;19;12;22
David Hall
Wow. So you mentioned like when we’re younger, we are more present in the moment. So how do we stay present in the moment, in our communication?

00;19;14;08 – 00;19;36;29
Richard Newman
Yeah, it’s one of those big requests actually, David, that I get a lot from people where they say we need to have we need our leadership team to have executive presence or we need to make sure that our managers can be in the flow when they go into a meeting or individuals saying, Look, I just want to have that sense of presence of mind because my mind’s flitting all over the place when I’m doing things.

00;19;36;29 – 00;20;03;02
Richard Newman
So to talk about personal presence that the lessons I’ve learned over the years, there’s three major pieces that someone needs to work on to be described as having presence. So the first piece is to have congruency. And congruency means that your body language, your voice and your words are all going in one direction. Because what we often see is that you get someone who their tone of voice and their words very often are going in completely different directions.

00;20;03;02 – 00;20;20;02
Richard Newman
People tend to put on this business tone of voice, which is very popular, where they just speak in a muted tone as if to say, I’m not going to give anything away. And the challenge being, when they go into a leadership position and they go into a meeting and they say, you know, these are the numbers for this week, these are the numbers for next week.

00;20;20;11 – 00;20;39;04
Richard Newman
People they’re are thinking, is that good news or bad news? I have no idea how to feel about this. There’s no congruency here. And so the first step is understanding how do you get your body, voice and words to match so that you’re physically committed to the message and that that brings you more present? The second piece I always work on with people is outward focus.

00;20;39;17 – 00;21;12;03
Richard Newman
And this is particularly important, I think, for for introverts is that if we quietly prepare ourselves for a situation and then go in, we are inwardly focused in that moment and that’s great for preparation. But when you get into the moment, you then have to focus outwards. So the way I talk about this in terms of speaking on stage is I always think of myself as a surfer on the ocean so I can do all the preparation I want to is learning surfing skills I can polish up my surfing board, but when I get out there, the ocean can be choppy or the ocean could be calm.

00;21;12;03 – 00;21;33;05
Richard Newman
And I need to watch the waves and understand what’s happening around me and respond to it. Otherwise it’s going to be flipped over. And so you have to have your focus entirely on what is the other person doing, how are they reacting to me? What’s their tone? What’s the mood in this room? And being able to navigate that piece and the third piece to talk about with presence and we’ve measured this.

00;21;33;05 – 00;21;57;28
Richard Newman
We actually had a study published, I believe it was back in 2006 in the Journal of Psychology, where we looked at how could you measure presence in terms of what someone did non-verbally? And we found that if you stand or sit in a way that gravity is working with you rather than working against you, people believed you had more presence, you’re more convincing, you appear more confident, they’re more likely to vote for you in an election.

00;21;58;11 – 00;22;14;20
Richard Newman
They believed you were a better leader. All of these things happening by making sure that you’re going back to what you used to do when you’re one or maybe one and a half year old of standing or sitting in a way that you’re firmly upright, feet planted, lifted spine, you’ve got a slightly lifted sternum as well, ready to speak.

00;22;14;20 – 00;22;19;00
Richard Newman
And those are the things that people see where they feel, okay, this person is present.

00;22;20;15 – 00;22;32;23
David Hall
Yeah. So we’ve learned some bad behaviors or bad views on things and we have to unlearn those and really learn to use our natural gifts to be good communicators. Is that accurate?

00;22;33;27 – 00;22;49;21
Richard Newman
Yeah, very much so. I always like to say to people, look, I’m not going to I’m not going to give you a technique here and that makes you something you’re not. I’m not going to put something on top of who you are is some kind of charade. Instead, it’s about pulling back the habits that are not working for you right now.

00;22;49;21 – 00;23;01;07
Richard Newman
If they’re if there are things you’re doing as a communicator that are distracting when you’re speaking to people, presenting or pitching an idea, let’s get rid of those things and bring you back to a natural state of connection and communication.

00;23;02;06 – 00;23;16;07
David Hall
A topic I was very interested in your book is it’s just about storytelling. It’s a very important part of communication and giving speeches and things. What are challenges that people have in this area and being good storytellers?

00;23;16;07 – 00;23;41;09
Richard Newman
Yeah, it’s a great topic and it’s one where I’ve had the privilege of sitting and having a conversation with Robert McKee, who is, you know, the godfather of storytelling in Hollywood. He’s written lots of books on this subject. And I was saying to him, you know, what do you think the challenge is here? And he said, here’s the thing that, you know, if people go to this mansion, they go to a concert and they listen to a beautiful piece of classical music.

00;23;41;19 – 00;24;09;06
Richard Newman
Nobody goes home that night thinking, I think I can write a symphony. But when somebody hears a story and we hear stories throughout our lives, and then someone says, Tell me a story, they go, Oh yeah, I can do that because I’ve heard stories and therefore I can tell you a good story. And so, you know, just like hearing a symphony and understanding music and understanding music structure and notes, the same thing goes into storytelling that you really have to give it greater thought to understand what goes into creating a good story.

00;24;09;27 – 00;24;30;21
Richard Newman
And so what I tend to see is a lot of people will go in different directions. So business storytelling is talked about a lot where sometimes people think, Oh yeah, business storytelling, what I should do is just tell people about what I did on the weekend. Tell them what I went on holiday, tell them about my emotions, these sorts of things which are not necessarily useful or having any structure.

00;24;30;28 – 00;25;06;02
Richard Newman
And other times people tell lists without emotions. And so I put it like this, you know, if somebody was to tell a story, often it’s so pedestrian in the beats, it doesn’t really mean anything where if you said to someone, What did you do today? And they say, well, you know, I got up and I put my right foot on the floor first, then my left foot, then I noticed it was 717 and I turned off my alarm and I took 12 paces towards the kitchen when I then started to make a cup of coffee, it’s that sort of pedestrian list that we often hear when we hear people talking in business.

00;25;06;02 – 00;25;30;20
Richard Newman
There’s this bullet point and this bullet point and this bullet point, and you think, How am I supposed to feel about that? And if you’re really going to be good at communication with Storytel, you have to understand that a story essentially means that you’re lighting up three areas of the brain in the right order, and the three areas of the brain are you have to light up the survival mind, the emotional mind and the logical mind, and you need to do it in that order for someone to be utterly compelled by what you’re saying.

00;25;30;29 – 00;25;46;20
Richard Newman
And most people in day-to-day work, they just focus on the logical mind. They say, here’s the facts, here’s the figures, here’s the data, here’s the spreadsheet. And they wonder why people leave the meeting a need two cups of coffee before they can go into their next meeting. And so you’ve got to make sure that you’re lighting up the mind in the right way.

00;25;47;25 – 00;25;54;10
David Hall
How do you do that? How do you learn to light up the mind and not just approach it from the logical aspect?

00;25;54;10 – 00;26;10;27
Richard Newman
Yeah, yeah. Great question. So when I talk about with people is saying, look, there’s there’s a piece that comes before the logic. It’s not like the logic needs to be dismissed. If you need to go into a meeting and you need to give an update, of course you’ve got to give some logical numbers. If you’re going to pitch your company, you need to tell them what you do.

00;26;10;27 – 00;26;29;12
Richard Newman
Of course you do. But before you’re doing that, there is a piece that comes before it, which is to make sure that their brain is switched on and cares about what you have to say. So to look at a simple way of thinking about this, you can think about pain and pleasure. So every human being on Earth has an instinct to avoid pain and to gain pleasure.

00;26;29;20 – 00;26;47;29
Richard Newman
And this comes from back in the day of sabertooth tigers. If one of our great great great ancestors, great, great, great grandparents, was out there in the primordial forest trying to survive, they were there thinking, okay, when this beast comes towards me, that looks like pain. I need to run towards pleasure. I need to run towards safety. And they survived.

00;26;48;08 – 00;27;05;22
Richard Newman
And people who didn’t have those instincts didn’t survive. They got eaten. And so we have those instincts today. And so when you’re about to share with somebody an update or maybe pitching an idea to a friend or a colleague or a client, you have to remember before you give them that idea, they need to care about it.

00;27;06;03 – 00;27;29;15
Richard Newman
You need to open up that piece. And so you need to talk about how what you’re about to share is going to help them avoid pain and help them to gain pleasure. You can also, as stories so often do, take them from the past to the future. So past pain and future pleasure. So it might go along the lines of this and from their perspective, always remember that the person you are speaking to is the hero of whatever story you telling.

00;27;30;07 – 00;27;46;25
Richard Newman
If you are the hero of the story, it just gets very boring. The people say, Union, here comes my boss telling me how he’s a hero again. So instead you need to say, Look what I understand from speaking to you so far is that there’s a real challenge you’ve been dealing with in the past. And that challenge cause you this, this and this.

00;27;46;25 – 00;28;02;15
Richard Newman
And what you’re really concerned about is that if nothing changes right now, it could cause you further pain down here. And maybe six months from now, this is where you could end up. You’ve placed them at the center of the story and shown them how the current situation could threaten their survival in some way. And you don’t overexaggerate it.

00;28;02;15 – 00;28;17;11
Richard Newman
You just stated as it is, and the survival mind says, Wait a second, I need to listen to this, because the talking about a challenge, I care about now and a challenge that might come up and be bigger in my future, I’m listening to the survival minds in the next thing you do is you say, okay, let’s talk about a positive future.

00;28;17;11 – 00;28;32;09
Richard Newman
And you say, Well, you know what? If it was possible in this meeting, if I was able to share with you something that would enable you in the future to achieve this and have more of this and have less of what you don’t want and more of what you do want. And what if we could end up being over here in three months?

00;28;32;09 – 00;28;47;23
Richard Newman
Would that be interesting? Is that useful for you? And or if it’s an update, you can say what I’d love to share now is how he can do this, this and this. That will help us achieve what I know you’d like to have by the end of this month. And suddenly people say, Great, give me a spreadsheet. They’re suddenly ready.

00;28;47;28 – 00;29;05;02
Richard Newman
But as most people know, nobody really wakes up in the morning thinking, Oh, just want to get into some spreadsheets. Maybe some people do, but if you give them a reason to care about it, then they will. And then you can give them the logic. But you have to earn that right, earn the right to go to the logical mind by setting up the other pieces first.

00;29;05;29 – 00;29;09;11
David Hall
Yeah. Okay. Talk a little bit more about that. You’re not the hero.

00;29;11;00 – 00;29;32;08
Richard Newman
Oh, yeah. So this is a huge mistake that so many people make when if you think about it in any story, essentially what is the hero do? The hero has challenges and the hero has goals. And you watch the hero on their journey to move away from their challenges towards their goals. But the challenges in every person’s life, everyone sees themselves as the hero at the center of their own journey.

00;29;32;18 – 00;29;50;06
Richard Newman
They have challenges. They have goals, too, and they’re trying to move away from challenges towards goals. So if you go into a meeting, a conversation, an interview is sales pitch, a presentation, and you say, Hey, everyone, these are my challenges and these are my goals. They just look at you blankly as if to say Yes. So what? I’ve got challenges and goals too.

00;29;50;15 – 00;30;15;06
Richard Newman
So instead if you flip it around and you say, No, no, I’m not the hero in the story, you’re the hero in the story. Then that and they enabled you to get inside their mindset, talk about something they care about. And in so doing, if you want to, if you’re in a pitch or if you’re aiming to influence a large team, you can help them move towards a future that’s good for them and good for you by telling them that story and letting them know what they do.

00;30;15;14 – 00;30;36;02
Richard Newman
It also helps for a leader that if you place yourself as the hero at the center of every story and wanting to be seen as heroic by your team, you’re going to be exhausted. You’re going to work 20 hours a week and it’s just not going to be possible to do everything. But if you place your team as the hero at the center of the story, they are more likely to want to do the things that will get them there because they will see that they will be rewarded.

00;30;36;02 – 00;30;44;20
Richard Newman
They will feel purposeful along that line. And so it’s much easier then to delegate or get people involved and committed and passionately following a project.

00;30;45;08 – 00;30;58;04
David Hall
Yeah, excellent. And I know as far as storytelling, sometimes introverts might have these beautiful stories in their minds, but they may struggle to get those stories out. What advice do you have there?

00;31;00;11 – 00;31;06;28
Richard Newman
So you mean if people are they feel that they’ve got something they want to share, but they just don’t have the confidence to start speaking.

00;31;07;07 – 00;31;07;29
David Hall
Yeah, yeah.

00;31;09;14 – 00;31;27;23
Richard Newman
Yeah. So I think this is very common, too, and it’s part of the passion that I had for why I wanted to start and keep on running my company is that as we often see in day-to-day life, it’s not necessarily the person with the best idea who gets listened to. It’s the person who is maybe speaking the loudest, speaking the most, or speaking the most confidently.

00;31;28;03 – 00;31;46;18
Richard Newman
And so I’ve always been keen to make sure that people who have an idea then have a voice. And so there’s a few different things that you can do to get around this. So I’ll share with you a few and whatever resonates can work for you. So firstly, we need to get our minds to a place where we are confident to to speak up day to day.

00;31;46;18 – 00;32;07;23
Richard Newman
And so that can start right from the, from the first moment that you wake up. And so what I often encourage people to do is I say that your mind is very open when you first wake up and when you last about to go to sleep. Your brainwaves are in a position where you’re much more receptive to priming your thoughts for a positive engagement at work or in your personal life.

00;32;08;02 – 00;32;21;06
Richard Newman
And so what I encourage people to do is put their running shoes by their bed. So the first thing you see when you wake up is not even the alarm clock. You see your running clothes. And so you put them on and you go outside and you can play your favorite music, whatever gets you into a good zone.

00;32;21;17 – 00;32;45;14
Richard Newman
And this plays well for introverts too, because you can be by yourself and you just go out, you can walk around your block or you can go and walk into the woods or whatever you have near your house. And as you’re doing so, you will imagine your future. So this is called doing future history. You imagine being in a meeting that day or being in whatever important event is coming up and you imagine yourself acting and reacting in a way that you would feel proud of.

00;32;45;22 – 00;33;04;23
Richard Newman
So what you can’t do in your visualization is imagine exactly what other people will do because you don’t know. Remember the surfer being on the ocean. But as a surfer you can imagine, how am I going to act and react no matter what’s going on around me? And so you get to the point where your mind believes that, okay, in this sort of situation, I speak up in that sort of moment, I tell a story.

00;33;04;23 – 00;33;35;04
Richard Newman
And so it’s getting used to that idea and it’s creating a neural pathways such that when you get into that meeting, you just head down that neural pathway where your mind and your body says, Oh, this is the moment where I speak up and you go to speak. What I also say to people in meetings is if it’s going to be interactive, interact early on, get your voice heard early on, even if it’s just to say, yes, I agree with Bob, just so your voice has been heard, because what that also does to your monkey mind is it says, I spoke people heard me and I didn’t die.

00;33;35;05 – 00;33;51;00
Richard Newman
So I think I can do this again. So if you speak early on that it just means you’re going to be part of that conversation and more willing to say something else. And I would also say put yourself forward for more opportunities to speak. And that’s what I did very early on. I said, okay, every day I’m going to be up three, six, six months.

00;33;51;07 – 00;34;10;26
Richard Newman
Every day I’m going to be up in front of this group of monks. And five days a week I’m going to be up in front of these groups of children, and I have to have something to say. Otherwise they’re going to run, riot and run rings around me. And so I also when I came back to the UK after that, I signed up for something called Toastmasters and I believe you have it in the US as well, which is something we.

00;34;11;00 – 00;34;31;15
Richard Newman
Yeah. So it’s a place where you can go with a group of people and once a week you get thrown a challenge. You have to stand up and immediately say something and make it interesting. And that was great for me to build my confidence. So getting to the place where you can do that is important too. So I’d say essentially it’s priming your mind, ready to believe that I can speak in this situation.

00;34;31;15 – 00;34;50;22
Richard Newman
It’s going to be okay. And I’m the person who can say this. And the last sentence on that, I’d say, remember that your your ideas do not speak for themselves. Is that the long held phrase? Oh, this idea is so good. It speaks for itself. It doesn’t it never speaks for itself. You have to speak for it. So if you want good ideas to happen, you need to be the voice.

00;34;51;17 – 00;35;02;28
David Hall
Yeah. Yeah, that’s the thing too. I always say that introverts have a lot to say because we’re always thinking and we have a lot of great ideas, but they have to get out there. Yeah. Yeah.

00;35;02;29 – 00;35;03;13
Richard Newman
So true.

00;35;04;05 – 00;35;18;26
David Hall
And it’s it’s just a matter of, like you said, make yourself opportunities to speak. But also if you need to change your thoughts around, you know, this isn’t hard, I can do this or maybe I’ve done the preparation. I’m ready to do this. And this is a good thing.

00;35;19;23 – 00;35;22;15
Richard Newman
Yeah, absolutely.

00;35;22;15 – 00;35;33;14
David Hall
So as far as speaking again, you’ve studied speeches all over the world. You’ve helped other people do that. What does make a great, inspiring and compelling speech and how do especially introverts learn to do that?

00;35;34;29 – 00;35;53;09
Richard Newman
Yeah, it’s a it’s a good question. And I think that the key to this is how do you measure the impact? And for me, the impact is measured by does anybody do anything afterwards? Because you can have a rousing speech, you can have a standing ovation from a speech, and then people say, great, is that coffee? And off they go and nothing happens.

00;35;54;03 – 00;36;23;02
Richard Newman
So so the impact for me is always, does anybody do anything after this? And so that’s how I’m always aiming to to measure something. And, you know, I often actually will teach and speak at conferences. And quite often I’m the last speaker and my job there is. I say to them, how many times have you been to this, you know, leadership getaway or the sales kickoff meeting and people said amazing things and then you get back there the next year and you think, oh, did we do anything based on what we said last year?

00;36;23;02 – 00;36;40;05
Richard Newman
I’m not really sure we did. So life gets busy, so I’m often there saying, how you actually going to make sure that something happens based on this event? And so there’s a few things that are that are key to that. Firstly, to make an impact, you have to make sure you get the person emotionally involved in what you’re saying.

00;36;40;13 – 00;36;59;19
Richard Newman
If they’re cognitively involved and they go, Yeah, okay, I understand that they’re not actually necessarily going to do it. I mean, you know, this has been proven for years by the tobacco industry. You can say to someone, smoking, smoking is not good for you. And they go, Yeah, I get that. But there’s no smoking. So it’s not actually changing the way they feel they act if they’re aiming to give up smoking.

00;36;59;19 – 00;37;25;12
Richard Newman
So you must get somebody emotionally involved in your message. And the other piece I want people to do as well to make an impact is to make sure they can share it. And that’s where the power of story, having a clear, concise story and often having a clear, concise headline is a way that people can move away from that event, that interaction, and then share what you’ve said, because they can sum it up in the space of 30 seconds or a minute because they remember the story that went through.

00;37;25;12 – 00;37;32;02
Richard Newman
It wasn’t a conveyor belt message. It was a journey that you took them on that allowed them then to to move away and do something with it.

00;37;33;17 – 00;37;41;02
David Hall
Very good. Very good. And then how do people prepare to give those speeches?

00;37;41;02 – 00;38;04;19
Richard Newman
Yeah. So I think something that people often miss here and this is, you know, a very important message for introverts as well, is that often we do go away to our own space to prepare and then we show up with what we’ve got and we might get rejected from that. And so to avoid that, what I often say to people is if you are preparing to give a good speech, it’s important to thoroughly understand the mind of the audience.

00;38;05;02 – 00;38;25;22
Richard Newman
So to give you a reference point for this, about a year and a half ago, a client came to me and said, Could your team work on this project? And I said, Yes, I think we can. I think that we’ve got the expertize you need. But before we do it, I want to interview six people on your team before we come and do that first big workshop because they’re saying, you know, come and work with 50 of our leaders and help them in this space.

00;38;25;22 – 00;38;43;23
Richard Newman
And so I interviewed six people from different parts of the business with different perspectives on what they thought the issue really was, because I’ve got the trust in the person who’d give me the the call in the first place. But I wanted to see how other people saw the challenge. And that way I knew that I could investigate from their perspective.

00;38;43;23 – 00;39;02;07
Richard Newman
I was always asking, aiming to be the mentor in the scenario and then being the hero. I said, What’s your challenge and what should go and what’s preventing you from getting to the goal? And I would ask that over and over again. And that meant that when I started, I was then able to incorporate their journeys, their stories, and I said, look, you know, I’ve really enjoyed getting to know your team.

00;39;02;13 – 00;39;21;11
Richard Newman
And here’s what I’ve understood. The challenge that some of you are facing is this and others of you are facing this. And here’s the challenge that some of you also face as straight away. I had them, they were saying, you totally understand us. You don’t just understand the concept you’re going to teach. You understand us. And then I said the goal, I know you’re aiming for is this piece over here, and you might also be looking for this.

00;39;21;18 – 00;39;37;11
Richard Newman
And so it’s just taking that time to really make sure that no matter how brilliant and universal your message may be in any given presentation, petrol speech, you’ve got to make sure that you understand the nuances of the people that you’re about to speak to. And actually I just give a shout out to a member of my team.

00;39;37;11 – 00;39;52;12
Richard Newman
Jamie He got a really nice mention on LinkedIn, I think it was today or yesterday because a client said that he did exactly that. So I’ve been away on holiday for a couple of weeks and he was then preparing for this piece when I wasn’t here, and he did exactly that. He understood the team. He spoke to several people.

00;39;52;12 – 00;40;02;02
Richard Newman
He nuanced everything he was doing, and when he went in there blew everybody away because they thought, you’ve really understood us. And so we feel ourselves in your words.

00;40;03;02 – 00;40;20;14
David Hall
Yeah, that’s so important. And that’s part of the preparation and probably a lot of people aren’t willing to go do that. They got the job, so to speak, but to take that extra step and go really discover what the organization, what the audience needs, that a different level of preparation, that’s very impactful.

00;40;21;12 – 00;40;37;23
Richard Newman
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But I think it’s so worthwhile. I often say to people to when they say, oh, how big your team, how big is your sales team? And I say, Well, my sales team is 120,000 people. And I say, What do you mean? I say, Well, every person who’s ever worked with us is out there giving us referrals every single day.

00;40;38;00 – 00;40;53;25
Richard Newman
And the way that they become a member of our sales team is if we go in to each event aiming to completely blow their minds with what we do so that when they leave it for the next ten, 20, 30 years, when someone says, Hey, do you know a good speaker or a good teacher of communication? They’re going to come back and sell us every single time.

00;40;54;05 – 00;41;03;19
Richard Newman
And so that’s why it’s worth doing the work. If you spend spend the work on that, rather than the work on trying to figure out your marketing and your sales strategy. And that’s going to give itself dividends.

00;41;04;07 – 00;41;27;15
David Hall
Absolutely. And so on this show, we definitely bust a lot of introverted myths. I think we’ve done that today. Introverts can be amazing speakers. It’s just they may need to go about doing that in a different way. And I think we’ve we’ve hit on a lot of that today. I’ve really been enjoying this conversation. Is there anything else that you want to talk about, about the work you do or your book or anything like that?

00;41;28;04 – 00;41;46;20
Richard Newman
No, I think I would just say that, you know, for anybody listening to this who thinks, oh, I could never do that, I could never get on stage, I could never do a presentation. I could never be the center of attention in a situation. You absolutely can do it. Sometimes it looks like, you know, climbing a mountain and yes, it can be a big challenge.

00;41;46;20 – 00;41;58;27
Richard Newman
But you’d be surprised how far you can get if you just take one step forward every day. You know, sometimes it’s a bit like if you go to the gym and you’ve never been to a gym before and you look at the people there who are so fit and they can lift the heaviest weights and you think, I’ll never get there?

00;41;59;07 – 00;42;13;28
Richard Newman
But actually, if you just start lifting the lightest weights and as soon as you’re ready, you lift something slightly heavier, you’ll be amazed by how quickly you can transform yourself. So I would say be patient, start and know that you can get there. You just need to be consistent and do the work.

00;42;14;21 – 00;42;21;17
David Hall
Excellent. Excellent. All right. Well, thank you again, Richard, for being on the show. Where can people find out more about the work you’re doing or the book?

00;42;23;00 – 00;42;41;00
Richard Newman
So the best place to find me is UK Body My team is based in the UK so we travel all over the world but UK body You can find me on LinkedIn. Is the best place to find me on social media. So it’s Richard Newman from Body Talk on LinkedIn and on Instagram. I’m at Richard Newman Speaks.

00;42;41;28 – 00;42;42;26
David Hall
All right. Thanks again.

00;42;43;10 – 00;42;44;21
Richard Newman
Yeah, great. Thank you, David.

00;42;45;20 – 00;43;06;04
David Hall
Thank you so much for joining me. I look forward to further connecting with you. Reach out to David at Quiet and or check out the website which includes blog posts, links to social media, and other items. Send me topics or guests you would like to see on the show if you’re interested in getting to know yourself better.

00;43;06;04 – 00;43;28;28
David Hall
There’s now a free type finder personality assessment on the quiet and strong website. This free assessment will give you a brief report, including the four-letter Myers-Briggs code. All add a link to the show notes. There are so many great things about being an introvert, so we need those to be understood. Get to know your introverted strengths and needs and be strong.

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